Blackburn nail their colours to the mast with Ince

Are you a Premiership chairman, you certainly know enough about football and prejudice to be one!

Out of 143 premiership managers ever – 2 black. I don’t know what percentage that is, but your population argument is naiive because manager jobs do not go to just anybody – they generally go to qualified coaches and ex-players – of which I’d wager there’s a higher percentage than this 2% you are quoting!

Football is not over-represented by black managers at all! How can you even suggest that ?

You are very defensive Simon, and leaping straight into insults suggests a very high level of immaturity.

My argument was that your argument was pretty weak, and confused (hiring a black manager is not enough, they have to be black and british for it to be ‘enlightened thinking’ ? erm, ok) , and you don’t back anything up with any facts, other than a quote from les ferdinand…

If you want me to clarify my argument, the fact is that there have been black managers in the premiership. And this suggests clubs are not racist, and the fact that Ince will be the first black british manager is, in part, to do with there not being very many black British people, 2% according to my ‘naiive stats’ (do you know what naiive means??? Please explain how such a low proportion of black British people should translate into anything other than a low proportion of black british managers) and that British managers, on the whole, are not very good.

I don’t confess to being a football expert, but i know that Alex Ferguson and Martin O’Neill are the only decent British managers currently in the premiership, and that there is noone british good enough to manage our national team – do you remember a few years ago we had Maclaren, Curbishley and fat Sam on the shortlist FFS? Neither do british managers have the tactical ability to manage abroad. Can you name any who have been successful abroad? or even invited for an interview? do YOU know anything about football?! are you sure you a ‘professional’ sports writer?! that would suggest you make some sort of a living out of this!!!!

British managers not very good ?? Do you know anything about football ? Your use of statistics is a bit naiive too – so . Tigana and Gullit were great players – Tigana had managerial experience before he went to Fulham, Gullit was givn his jobs on his playing ability alone and ultimately failed. About the best thing you said was “I’m sure there is racism in football to some degree” – so what was your argument again ?

this article is ridiculous. The fact is that british managers are not very good in general, regardless of their race. Black people make up 2% of the UK population according the office of national statistics. Therefore, if the distribution was to fall out naturally, and assuming all 20 premiership managers were british, there should be 0.4 black british managers, so having 1 is way above what you would expect. The difference with Tigana and Gullit is that they were pretty decent managers. Tigina is French, where they are generally more racist than in the UK. The fact that Ince has started at the bottom is irrelevant. Are there any statistics about how many white ex players fail as managers? Or how many white ex players are trying to break into coaching and management and don’t? I am guessing quite a lot as well. 1/4 of players may well be non white, but realistically, how many of them a) want to become managers, and b) want to stay in this country once they have finished playing football? I am sure there is still racism in football to some degree, but i am sure most clubs are more interested in doing the best for their club and will hire the best candidate. I think this article highlights ignorance in journalism more than racism in football. Just cos Les Ferdinand says so, does not make it true! he didn’t even try to go into management as clearly stated in the article. just ‘hoping’ isn’t good enough Les, you need to do something about it. there are not very many opportunities in management full stop. Even an ex England manager can’t get a job in the premiership at the moment. although to be fair, he’s a useless tw@

this article is ridiculous. The fact is that british managers are not very good in general, regardless of their race. Black people make up 2% of the UK population according the office of national statistics. Therefore, if the distribution was to fall out naturally, and assuming all 20 premiership managers were british, there should be 0.4 black british managers, so having 1 is way above what you would expect. The difference with Tigana and Gullit is that they were pretty decent managers. Tigina is French, where they are generally more racist than in the UK. The fact that Ince has started at the bottom is irrelevant. Are there any statistics about how many white ex players fail as managers? Or how many white ex players are trying to break into coaching and management and don’t? I am guessing quite a lot as well. 1/4 of players may well be non white, but realistically, how many of them a) want to become managers, and b) want to stay in this country once they have finished playing football? I am sure there is still racism in football to some degree, but i am sure most clubs are more interested in doing the best for their club and will hire the best candidate. I think this article highlights ignorance in journalism more than racism in football. Just cos Les Ferdinand says so, does not make it true! he didn’t even try to go into management as clearly stated in the article. just ‘hoping’ isn’t good enough Les, you need to do something about it. there are not very many opportunities in management full stop. Even an ex England manager can’t get a job in the premiership at the moment. although to be fair, he’s a useless tw@

British managers not very good ?? Do you know anything about football ? Your use of statistics is a bit naiive too – so . Tigana and Gullit were great players – Tigana had managerial experience before he went to Fulham, Gullit was givn his jobs on his playing ability alone and ultimately failed. About the best thing you said was “I’m sure there is racism in football to some degree” – so what was your argument again ?

You are very defensive Simon, and leaping straight into insults suggests a very high level of immaturity.

My argument was that your argument was pretty weak, and confused (hiring a black manager is not enough, they have to be black and british for it to be ‘enlightened thinking’ ? erm, ok) , and you don’t back anything up with any facts, other than a quote from les ferdinand…

If you want me to clarify my argument, the fact is that there have been black managers in the premiership. And this suggests clubs are not racist, and the fact that Ince will be the first black british manager is, in part, to do with there not being very many black British people, 2% according to my ‘naiive stats’ (do you know what naiive means??? Please explain how such a low proportion of black British people should translate into anything other than a low proportion of black british managers) and that British managers, on the whole, are not very good.

I don’t confess to being a football expert, but i know that Alex Ferguson and Martin O’Neill are the only decent British managers currently in the premiership, and that there is noone british good enough to manage our national team – do you remember a few years ago we had Maclaren, Curbishley and fat Sam on the shortlist FFS? Neither do british managers have the tactical ability to manage abroad. Can you name any who have been successful abroad? or even invited for an interview? do YOU know anything about football?! are you sure you a ‘professional’ sports writer?! that would suggest you make some sort of a living out of this!!!!

Are you a Premiership chairman, you certainly know enough about football and prejudice to be one!

Out of 143 premiership managers ever – 2 black. I don’t know what percentage that is, but your population argument is naiive because manager jobs do not go to just anybody – they generally go to qualified coaches and ex-players – of which I’d wager there’s a higher percentage than this 2% you are quoting!

Football is not over-represented by black managers at all! How can you even suggest that ?